Monday, February 23, 2009

Bogus Science


Here is an Expanded Similar Triangle Poem in all six synonymous syntactical permutations from group six.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

like what you have presented. but, intuition, as i understand and experience, is an aspect of consciousness outside the mind where direct experience without the mind filter occurs. it is neither rational nor irrational being outside the mind. so, how does this play into your pyramid scheme?

karl kempton

Kaz Maslanka said...

Hi Karl,
Gee, I think you have given too much mystical significance to the word intuition. I see intuition purely as and extension of rationality. I don’t see it outside of the mind … in fact I don’t see any kind of thinking/consciousness outside of the mind.

Thanks for your comment!
Kaz

Anonymous said...

hi kaz,

from my and others point of view, intuition is not thinking, rather a direct unfiltered experience at its strongest and a foggy like touch at its weakest. it is outside the mind and thus why the mind can not explain it; though sometimes it can grasp an outline of what occurred.

as nobody has mapped the intuitive flow nor its center (mystics aside), i will remind you that with all the yak about the mind nobody in science has found one yet. nor has the shapes and densities of thoughts been seen or measured.

warmly,

karl

Kaz Maslanka said...

Hi Karl,
I am not sure what you mean by pyramid scheme however, it is true that no one has found a mind yet. This fact would also make it hard to determine what is outside of the mind. However, I can not see how a mind can see outside of itself or in another words I can not see how something that I posses not be in my possession. I see everything in existence part of this dream and all must be phenomena of the mind. I don’t know that anything exists until my awareness discovers it. That does not mean that I don’t believe my mind to be in possession of things for which I am not aware; for I have had nocturnal dreams whereby I was in dire quest of information only to have someone in my dream tell me the answer. You may believe that the answer was outside of my mind however, I believe it was inside and obscured.

Thanks again Karl,
Kaz

James said...

Id have to agree with you Kaz. "Intuition" or "hunches", or "that gut feeling" are all just the subconscious running tough a lot of various thoughts and ideas unaware to your conscious self.

I really like the concept of this poem (these poems?). I'll have to take a closer look at the math later.

Kaz Maslanka said...

Thanks for dropping by James.

Anonymous said...

kaz,

leaning triangles together making pyramid(s). i said so yesterday but for some reason it was not posted.

sorry, but a hunch is not an intuitive experience. a hunch occurs within the intellect and hence part of the mind.

i am not using standard western 100 year young psychological theory but thousands of years of experience and work from bharat (india) and my own experiences.

knowing without knowing why = direct unfiltered experience

i am sure we can go on with this, but end of my comments unless . . .

from western viewing, kaz, your formulas of course work. but, since math searchers for he universal truth i felt it necessary to inject these ideas.

warmly,

karl

Kaz Maslanka said...

Hi Karl,
I just want to mention the formulas have nothing to do with the west or the east for that matter. Irrationality / Spirituality / language can be built into equations to make metaphors that point in any direction you wish.
All the best,
Kaz

D.Coys said...

Kaz

My algebra has long rusted away - are the formulas substitutions of each other in some way?

D.Coys

Kaz Maslanka said...

Hi Decoys,
Thanks for dropping by. Yes each of the equations has the exact same logic but is syntactically different. While technically speaking the semantics should be the same, they are not due to the syntax being different. The order in which we read something makes a difference in our perception. Here is a link that speaks to this idea.

http://mathematicalpoetry.blogspot.com/2008/04/abc-does-not-equal-cba.html

Thanks!
Kaz

D.Coys said...

Thanks for the link, Kaz.

Luntz's book sounds like a rhetorical manual for politics today: Aristotle updated, as it were. It is hardly surprising. The emphasis of rhetoric coupled with logically weak argumentation switches me off from politics. But the reality is that rhetoric is difficult to disentangle from any speech, which is perhaps what helps it along some.

But your post interests me as a computational writer. The nearest I've thought about the effects of ordering ideas is to re-write several different narratives from the same source text. Same ideas, different order, different meaning. Puts me in mind of the endings to Tarantino's film Jackie Brown.

Thanks again,

D.

Kaz Maslanka said...

Hi “D”,
Reordering is interesting however, we are interested in the idea of mathematical metaphors and the effects of an operation on concepts to express different things. The first two topics in the taxonomy of mathematical poetry structures and techniques (see the side bar) are not over your head mathematically and illustrates the important ideas of our methods.
Thanks for dropping by,
Kaz

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